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Behavioral Alteration/Integration: Just Fucking Do It. 
Posted: 24 December 2008 01:44 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Personal change, behavioral alteration/integration—just fucking do it.

I’ve spent so much time digging through books, internets, conversations, and experiments to find and execute profound and lasting changes in my person, with unbelievably scant results.

I’ve studied and used tons of occultism, nlp patterns, meditations, art projects, hypnotherapy, blah blah, and had very little luck doing what I want to do with them.  I’ve a very specific persona to animate and occupy, and feel like the same person I was 4 years ago.

It’s a goal of mine to be able to compile a foolproof-as-fucking-possible skillset into some medium/my person and maximize exposure/usefulness.  It’s a resource I’ve made a virtual career looking for and haven’t found.

No bullshit, no self/brand-aggrandizement, no monetary profit: only the tools that work.  Granted these can differ immensely from person to person, but that does not need to stop the project.  How to superempower superamounts of people?

Thoughts and suggestions?

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Posted: 24 December 2008 04:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Best tool i’ve experimented with is Microcosmic Orbit Meditation, following drew’s suggestions. Hey thanks drew.

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Posted: 24 December 2008 05:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Posted: 25 December 2008 05:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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The answer would appear to be contained in the first sentence, no? 

Just out of curiosity, what “very specific persona to animate and occupy” did you have in mind?

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Posted: 25 December 2008 09:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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thirtyseven - 25 December 2008 05:00 PM

Just out of curiosity, what “very specific persona to animate and occupy” did you have in mind?

I rep for the disenfranchised with fries.

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Posted: 25 December 2008 10:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Just fucking do it is frankly horrible advice and a second circuit loser script for morons with 20th century ideas about how willpower is produced by the brain.  Just fucking do it is what the stupid manager says to dominate employees that are smarter then him when he’s being intellectually lazy.  If you need to run “just fucking do it” in your os, you aren’t seeing the right things or integrating aggression in a useful way.  “just fucking do it” implies you aren’t doing it. you are stupid. lazy. need to be yelled at to get shit done, that there is one way to do things and that your work will someday be done (which means it won’t become stabilized as a trait.  Fuck that shit.  “I’ve already started.” “I’m doing it every day.”

Look at what you wrote again.  Allow me to summarize:

I I I I I I I mine I I I mine I want I I I want

Read what you wrote out loud The transformation you seek comes when you drop the I.  You cannot see what needs to get done when I I I I I is running automatic loops in your head.  You don’t want efficiency, you want to be the hero that makes it happen, which is a childish pre-conventional narcissistic drive.  This is not an efficient attitude towards making change happen.  You do not “do what you want with them (occult and psychology and meditation tools)”.  Instead, you open yourself up to places of extreme vulnerability so they can do what they want with you, and then from that new perspective, you decide what you really want to do, letting go of the old ‘wants’.  You sound to me like your dystonic ego is plugged into these tools wrong.  You don’t use these tools to make what your unevolved ego wants happen.  You use these tools to lose your ego and then you see what obviously needs to happen but that your ego blinded you too.  Then you use other tools to achieve what you see is possible and urgent.

These tools are not like shopping at the mall where you pay X and get Y in return. That you still talk about them in this way indicates you have not made much progress with them.

How about dropping the bullshit and going straight to the source?  Buy some tickets to someplace mushrooms are legal (or grow a pair and break the law without getting caught) and clean the “I I I I I” out of your head.  Take a couple more grams then recommended and lay down with good music or go to nature.  Then, while you’re egoless and reality seems unbearably real, try and see something useful no one understands.  You are looking for medium size ideas towards which you can direct behavioral integration to instigate a paradigm shift, that aren’t so big as to destroy you, and aren’t trivial.  Maybe it’s art or a book or a scientific hypothesis.  It’s not what you want, it’s what you see is possible when you kill the ‘you’ that wants.  Then, once you have a vision of what might be possible, develop intentionality towards that end.  First, you merge with the plant to obtain temporary state access, and then you use the tools to support development that over a lifetime will stabilize access to those states, transforming them into character traits in pursuit of the possibilities you’re egoless eye perceive.

Within this process, super-empowering tons of people or yourself is not the game.  That frame shows a disdain for pre-conventional and conventional stages of development essential for later stages to evolve.  This disdain for lower levels of evolutionary progress shows you have not made the quantum leap to valuing the entire spectrum of evolution.  You can’t make people jump from pre-conventional paradigms to post-post conventional paradigms until they have had a chance to go through conventional and post conventional paradigms, and so superempowering tons of people is a dangerous game that will ultimately not lead to stable access to post-post conventional levels.  At the personal level, you can’t get from “I want my meditation to let me be a hero” to “eye meditate holy to see reality holographically” without going through conventional stages of progress on your exercises.  Disowning lower evolutionary states in culture or in your psyche keeps you bound to them by creating shadow.

The game is to find a way to make evolution happen anywhere along the chain of being, both in yourself and the world, so stable access to more evolved levels comes about.  You could help people go from survival to pre-conventional to conventional levels of development (h2o to third world) or help people go from post-conventional to holographic ways of seeing the world (Robert Anton Wilson’s books), or change your spiritual practice from pre-conventional to conventional when you start worrying more about connecting with others as you and they actually are and less about changing the unevolved parts of yourself you hate.  At each stage, you have to evolve to the next stage.  No skipping stages.  You can vacation in other stages, but you cannot stabilize access to stages out of order.  You are talking like you hate seeds and saplings and small trees and want to grow acorns into ancient forests without any intermediate steps, because you just love ancient forests.  That’s not useful or efficient or possible.

I think you should check out Ken Wilbur’s book “Integral Spirituality” I believe it would help you understand how these tools relate to both personal change and changing the world.  It sounds to me like you won’t make any progress on your goals until you give yourself permission to evolve the scaffolding that will eventually support stable access to the states you seek and probably glimpsed.  It sounds to me you are so attached to dreaming of the higher states that you won’t evolve the necessary intermediate steps to support stabilized awareness to the states you are paralysed dreaming of.

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Posted: 26 December 2008 12:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Agreed that the answer would appear to be in the first sentence.  Albeit I reassess where I am every goddamned day and thats proven to be one of the most allusive sentences I’ve ever encountered.  Somethin bout a combination of compulsive avoidance, misplaced motivation, and cripplingly sneaky anxiety/depression, at least that’s how I assess it from here.

The persona? Don’t worry, you haven’t met him yet.

I’ll try that MO Meditation tonight, PsychoP.

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Ignorant and (ego-)bound paradigm? Indeed, but Promethean nonetheless.  If the ego and it’s narcissistic wants drives one to a bliss/utopia/effective-ness/new(wo)man/fuckall, or at least to asking the questions that take one somewhere else, then that ego has been useful indeed, yes?

What’s the fun in playing with children’s toys if you have to cut off your hands to get them?

We don’t need to spend our whole lives in the kiddie pool but needn’t renounce it either.

Post-ego and buddhahood sounds fuckin’ awesome.

Step out of yr preferred subjective tone into the subjective “I”:
After repeated readings, here is the primary action I’ve picked up from yr post: take MORE psychedelics and TRIP DA FUCK OUT. 
Bottoms up.  That’s on this homeboy’s menu for sure. 
But value judgements on point and pointlessness of subjective reality aren’t the most transformative or useful. Knowing selfmodification to be entirely possible and old news for tons of folks (like Themikenesedude’s experience with self-hypnosis) without necessitating massive ego-loss makes me keep acting.
‘sides, visions still firmly entrenched in ego can and have created vast, fantastic things. I’d like to take my chances on creating “the very problems [I am] trying to solve” first.
I’m not advocating for Final Solution vast cultural singularity awakening Maitreya, but more reachable, useable steps amongst the noise.

This sentence is making me go babycakes mad with awe: “Instead, you open yourself up to places of extreme vulnerability so they can do what they want with you, and then from that new perspective, you decide what you really want to do.” I really appreciate your post...which seems to have just gotten longer while I’ve been writing this so I hope this reply is still pertenant. 

Thanks for the juice y’all!  Very appreciated.

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Posted: 26 December 2008 01:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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The thing to take away from my post is to read integral spirituality if you are serious.  Also read Boomeritis.

The message about psychedelics is not trip the fuck out homeboy.  The message is that earth is in a crisis that requires serious thinkers to use the best means possible to come up with new ideas.  If you want to change your behavior to change earth, use the right tools the right ways.  If you are serious, squeegee your third eye and start contributing to a 21st century paradigm shift. 

Time is exponentially getting weirder as technology, media, and demographic trends make evolution occur exponentially faster.  We don’t have the same luxury of dwaddling in the kiddy pools of our narcissistic egos that hippies in the 60s had.  We need to evolve consciousness urgently because fixng the fucked up world depends on it.  Congrats you can play hedonistic monkey and run ayn rands narcisism scripts and banter about ego and bluff that you grok it.  Pat yourself on the head with your evolved paw and figure out your next step (for you, maybe Boomeritis and Integral Spirituality).  And please hurry the fuck up because our collective crisis is holographically linked to these individual shifts in awareness and the childish clinging you mistake as post-post conventional integration literally suffocates the very tree of life you dream about saving and empowering everyone with.  All while your dreaming you are awake and helping the causes your childish attitude towards serious evolutionary work causes you to work against.  Wake up!

And please no final solutions.  History sensitivity fail.

If I missed something I’ll edit in am to tired now.

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Posted: 26 December 2008 08:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Josh Waitzkin: The Art of Learning

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Learning-Journey-Pursuit-Excellence/dp/0743277457

Waitzkin’s name may sound familiar—back in 1993, his father wrote about Josh’s early years as a chess prodigy in Searching for Bobby Fischer. Now 31, Waitzkin revisits that story from his own perspective and reveals how the fame that followed the movie based on his father’s book became one of several obstacles to his further development as a chess master. He turned to tai chi to learn how to relax and feel comfortable in his body, but then his instructor suggested a more competitive form of the discipline called “push hands.” Once again, he proved a quick study, and has earned more than a dozen championships in tournament play. Using examples from both his chess and martial arts backgrounds, Waitzkin draws out a series of principles for improving performance in any field. Chapter headings like “Making Smaller Circles” have a kung fu flair, but the themes are elaborated in a practical manner that enhances their universality. Waitzkin’s engaging voice and his openness about the limitations he recognized within himself make him a welcome teacher. The concept of incremental progress through diligent practice of the fundamentals isn’t new, but Waitzkin certainly gives it a fresh spin.

....definitely one of the most stripped-down and sensibly simple books on the subject I’ve read....and he’s no academic, either.

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Posted: 26 December 2008 12:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Posted: 26 December 2008 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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^^Truesay—most rewarding and effective method of solidifying new skills is service to others.  I’m “practicing” being a business/IT consultant by helping out volunteers/branches/offices for organizations I respect, like Doctors W/o Borders, and Heifer Intl. 

Thinking back, I really got good at production and mixing after I’d spent a year playing engineer/producer for friends.  I got into music the same way, bluffed my way in and got the experience.  Although that technically makes me a liar and thus a shithead, it’s also taught me a lot of valuable skills. 

Working with a like-minded group has also been tremendously powerful.  Internet Marketing teachers insist that you create a mastermind group, and you practice martial arts in a dojo. 

The core insight of NLP and any other success coaching: think of obvious examples of success, think about their structure, and then model what they’re doing. 

It works.

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Posted: 27 December 2008 10:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Posted: 21 January 2009 09:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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I wonder how dude is doing in 2009? Be interesting to hear back from this cat.

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