Ok, you still print DMT isâ€â€¦. analog compound Salvia Divinorumâ€ and you think DMT is hard to obtain?
You should try ayawaskaâ€¦ a 4- 6-hour DMT trip
The stuff is really easy to obtain my friend.
There’s a number of errors in the article—Salvia is not, strictly or even loosely speaking, a chemical analog of DMT. The effects might be remarkably similar, but it’s basically comparing mushrooms to acid, from a chemical perspective.
And he’s quite right that DMT is actually very easy to obtain—for those of you in the forum, here’s some simple steps on the extraction:
Just checked out that test drive of salvia… The extracts seem to have gotten so popular from the simple fact that so many people smoke it inefficiently. With just the plain (ubercheap) dried leaves you can get the same effect as the extracts as long as you follow some of the old instructions people talk about on Erowid: small bong, massive hits, hold it in long. Don’t give your lungs a break, hit it 3 times. Salvinorin is found in micrograms within those leaves, and it dissipates fast as hell from the smoke.
Not that this is entirely relevant to the article or that you wrote that trip report or anything. I’m just sayin’. Guide curious people into smoking it right and you can giggle at the results for hours.
Salvia is some very serious stuff, though. Most potent naturally occurring hallucinogen known to man, if I’m not mistaken. R. Gordon Wasson was the man.
Is it true that ayahuasca is actually the same trip as dmt or no?
Not really, Ayahuaska lasts longer but the actual trip isn’t as intense as when smoking pure DMT. At least that’s my experience and my experiences experience stretches for more than 30 years allready. I make most of the extracts I take myself btw, it’s relatively easy but it does take some time, work and space.
From Dennis McKenna’s Preface to the 1994 Edition of Invisible Landscape:
“....psychedelic drugs have been a major conundrum fo science, and are likely to remain so for some time. For it is in the phenomenon of the psychedelic experience that the irrefutable, self-evident qualities of the mind come up against the reductionist models of the molecular neurobiologist. While is seems clear that the modalities of the psychedelic state must be rooted in neuronal pharmacodynamics, explanatory paradigms couched in terms of receptor selectivities, structure/activity relationships, agonist/antagonist interactions, activation of limbic structures, etc., all somehow fail to do justic to the transcendant, transformative reality that becomes manifest when one actually consumes a psychedelic drug.
One possible approach to the resolution of this dilemma might be termed the way of the shaman: one dispenses with all attempts at reductionist analysis and simply accepts the experience on its own terms—a god within a plant, for instance. Indded, the psychedelic experience is so profound and overwhelming that even scientifically sophisticated indivudals can easily succumb to the misperception that “the trip is in the drug.”
The alternative response, which might be characterized as the way of the alchemist, is to become utterly obsessional in the seeking of reductive explanations, and to construct wildly elaborate models in an attempt to integrate the irreducible reality of what is experienced into some scientific or, more often, quasi-scientific paradigm.”
Excellent article. If there is some kind of “ET” contact going on, I wouldn’t have doubt that psychedelics, throughout history, have been greatly entwined in this ordeal. If it’s real, perhaps it’s a universal, or at least planetary consciousness which we all share, different astral planes where various interdimensional entities exist and linger and might interact with humanity under proper conditions or mental stimulus.
There’s totally something going on there, ghosts, the spirit realm, reincarnation, synchronicity, but despite thousands of years of developing terms and conditions for these concepts, it still seems we are a long way away from fully understanding these phenomena. I believe that with a broadened mind, scope and perspective, that science can better clarify these events though, without having to get too far into Stephen Spielberg and George Lucas territory.
This article will be getting a total overhaul, been reconsidering this quite a bit.
Here’s some interesting brainfood from James Kent, editor of the classic (and rigorous) Tripzine:
“I have done DMT quite a bit, have interviewed and spent time with the late Terence McKenna, am friends with Rick Strassman, and have studied this issue very closely for the past fifteen years. And though I have not published the results of all my research (yet), I would like to share with you some of my conclusions concerning DMT and the dramatic phenomena it produces.
In short, I do not believe DMT is a gateway to an alternate dimension, nor does it provide contact with elves and alien entities. Yes, DMT produces a vivid other-worldly landscape when ingested, often including elves, aliens, insects, snakes, jaguars, etc. This is true for the majority of people who try it. Some people do not have such vivid reactions, but many do. Although this may appear at first glance to be “shocking,” it is actually no more shocking then the fact that most people dream at night, or that most people see geometric patterns when they close their eyes and press against their eyeballs (pressure phosphenes). The only difference between dreams, phosphenes, and DMT visuals is that DMT is illegal and very hard to come by, so most people never have the opportunity to experience it. If we could all hold our breath for a minute and produce vivid hallucinations of alien landscapes it would seem downright mundane, a mere curiosity of the human condition. However, since this particular alien landscape is produced by a specific rare substance (DMT), people seem to think it is akin to unlocking the mysteries of the universe when they actually get their hands on it and try it.
Now don’t get me wrong, DMT is stunning in its effect, no doubt. But, like anything, when you do it many times the magic tends to wear off and reveal itself for what it is, an abberation of the brain’s perceptual mechanics. To illustrate this I would like to offer the following observations:
1. DMT acts primarily at the 5-HT2A receptor, which is where all hallucinogenic tryptamines work their visual magic. Without going into all the details here, let’s just assume for a moment that a molecule with the proper shape acting at the 5-HT2A sites can significantly disrupt or enhance visual sensory processing. If this is the case, then dumping DMT into the perceptual wetworks is akin to messing with the logic that produces the display on the monitor you are looking at right now. Any programmer can tell you that a single line of code consisting of only a few characters can drastically alter the way your screen presents the data coming from your video card. It can make the screen flicker, blink, warp, twist, or fall into infinitely recursive fractalline chaos. If that happens is your monitor now displaying an “alternate reality” or “parallel dimension”? No, it is not. It is simply taking the same old data and processing it with a new factor in the base algorithm. Small tweak, dramatic results. Since the sensory processing system is so delicate, any chemical perturbation can cause it to fall into chaos, and as we all know chaos does not produce random noise, it produces some pretty damn trippy patterns.
2. The sensation of seeing aliens, elves, or being in the presence of God(s) is not unique to DMT users. Otherwise sane people who have never tried DMT report these sensations all the time, and it is generally treated as a sign of psychosis. However, recent research has shown that by stimulating parts of the temporal lobe you can reliably reproduce the feeling of being in the presence of God (also known as “seeing the light” or having a “religious epiphany"). It is an innate human sensation (just like the feeling that “I’m being watched” is an innate human sensation) we just don’t catalog it as such because it is relatively rare, happening perhaps only once in a lifetime to those who do not artificially stimulate themselves, perhaps never in a lifetime. Some people have very dramatic religious epiphanies with angels and demons and all form of cherubim marching through with horns and such with no drugs whatsoever, and though it is a common event we generally treat it as a psychological abberation (though back in the day it was the stuff prophets were made of). Since this kind of religious vision phenomena is something our brains can already do on their own, the fact that a substance like DMT can reproduce this phenomena is not much of a stretch.
So, with all of this in mind the one question remains: Why is the alien/elf archetype so common to the DMT experience? The only answer I have is that we humans must have some kind of innate evolutionary wetworking that forces us to latch onto any piece of anthropomorphic data that pops up in otherwise random sensory data, such as spotting a face peering out from behind the bushes, or spotting another human form hiding in the tall grass. The evolutionary advantage of such a trait is obvious, and in standard Rorschach tests even the most ambiguous blobs are found to look like faces or people no matter what culture the observer is from.
Another good selection from the same James Kent posting.
Don’t you feel that when we start talking about “archetypes” the things get dodgy? I mean, not even Jung was supposed to know what an archetype is. Definitions on archetypes have a wide range of understanding, starting with the mere “psychological aspect of the mind"--an entelechy when examined nearly--or “cosmic forces internal/external with the human/cosmic/unus_mundus mind”. Geez. Has anyone read Zoe7’s books? The guy says he has talked to archetypes, and “they” say they are “cosmic syntax sentient entities” or something.